{"id":1913,"date":"2016-08-18T19:09:55","date_gmt":"2016-08-18T19:09:55","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/casfaculty.case.edu\/ross-duffin\/?page_id=1913"},"modified":"2017-02-02T19:54:13","modified_gmt":"2017-02-02T19:54:13","slug":"why-i-hate-vallotti-or-is-it-young-2-1","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/casfaculty.case.edu\/ross-duffin\/why-i-hate-vallotti-or-is-it-young-2-1\/","title":{"rendered":"Why I hate Vallotti (or is it Young?)  2.1"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a name=\"topw2\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p><b>Why I hate Vallotti &#8211; cont.<\/b><\/p>\n<p>Some continued to use quarter comma <a href=\"#fnw2\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff\">meantone<\/span><\/a> in spite of its limitations: it\u2019s arguably still the best choice for much music of the early\u2013 to mid\u201317th century and it continued to be used for organs long after that. Others chose to compromise the purity of the thirds slightly, tempering all the fifths equally but not as much as in quarter comma meantone. These\u00a0<a href=\"#fnw2\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff\">regular meantone<\/span><\/a> systems\u20131\/5, 1\/6 comma, etc.\u2013feature good chords in the same places, but although the thirds are not as good as in quarter comma, the fifths are better, and complex harmonies are better. All of these regular meantone systems share one problem interval, however: a &#8220;<a href=\"#fnw2\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff\">wolf<\/span><\/a>&#8220;\u2013one fifth that isn\u2019t even really a fifth because it is so far out of tune.<\/p>\n<p>Thus, theorists were motivated to explore other tuning solutions. Many of these involved a core or &#8220;backbone&#8221; of tempered fifths, along with some fifths tempered not at all (e.g., Kirnberger), not so much (e.g., Neidhardt), or even tuned wider than pure (e.g, temp\u00e9rament ordinaire). These are all termed &#8220;<a href=\"#fnw2\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff\">irregular<\/span><\/a>&#8221; systems because they use different sizes of fifths. Those that eliminate the wolf and are serviceable in a variety of keys are called <a href=\"#fnw2\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff\">&#8220;well&#8221; temperaments<\/span><\/a>, or even<a href=\"#fnw2\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff\">&#8220;circulating&#8221; temperaments<\/span><\/a> if they can be used\u2013for better or worse\u2013in all keys without adjustment. This is the category to which belong the temperaments devised by Francesc\u2019 Antonio Vallotti and Thomas Young.<\/p>\n<p>Vallotti (1697\u20131780) was a theorist and composer who worked in Padua. His <i>Trattato della scienza teorica e pratica della moderna musica<\/i> wasn\u2019t published until 1779, but he claimed his theories had all been worked out by 1728. Actually, only Book 1 out of four was published in 1779\u2013the rest languished in manuscript until 1950\u2013and his temperament discussion appeared in Book 2, chapter 4. Vallotti\u2019s temperament was not unknown, however, since it was cited in England by William Jones in 1781 (<i>Physiological Disquisitions<\/i>) with a reference to endorsement by Tartini. This is perhaps understandable since Tartini was concertmaster of the standing orchestra under Vallotti\u2019s direction at Padua. Thomas Young (1773\u20131829) was a polymath whose temperament was given as part of an address to the Royal Society in January, 1800. (<i>Philosophical Transactions<\/i>, pp. 143\u201347).<\/p>\n<p>The temperaments advocated by these two men are very similar. Vallotti\u2019s calls for a series of six fifths (F\u2014C\u2014G\u2014D\u2014A\u2014E\u2014B) to be tempered by 1\/6 of a Pythagorean comma. The rest of the fifths around the &#8220;back side&#8221; of the circle were to be tuned pure. Young\u2019s is essentially a transposition of this system. The tempered fifths are C\u2014G\u2014D\u2014A\u2014E\u2014B\u2014F#, with the rest of the fifths tuned pure. Using the modern &#8220;<a href=\"#fnw2\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff\">cent<\/span><\/a>&#8221; units (1\/100 of an ET semitone, or 1\/1200 of an octave), the two temperaments may be expressed as follows:<\/p>\n<table border=\"0\" width=\"494\" cellspacing=\"2\" cellpadding=\"4\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"width: 478.381px\">\n<div align=\"left\"><b>Fig 1.<\/b> Vallotti and Young &#8220;Circulating&#8221; Temperaments in Cents<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"width: 478.381px\" bgcolor=\"#b0b0b0\">\n<table border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"2\" cellpadding=\"2\" bgcolor=\"white\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"13\" align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" height=\"8\">\n<div align=\"left\"><b>Vallotti<\/b><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"8\"><b>C<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"8\"><b>C#<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"8\"><b>D<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"8\"><b>Eb<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"8\"><b>E<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"8\"><b>F<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"8\"><b>F#<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"8\"><b>G<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"8\"><b>G#<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"8\"><b>A<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"8\"><b>B<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"8\"><b>B<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"8\"><b>C<\/b><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"12\">0<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"12\">94<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"12\">196<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"12\">298<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"12\">392<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"12\">502<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"12\">592<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"12\">698<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"12\">796<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"12\">894<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"12\">1000<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"12\">1090<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"12\">1200<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"13\" height=\"12\">Procedure: Temper F\u2013C\u2013G\u2013D\u2013A\u2013E\u2013B by 1\/6 of a Pythagorean comma, then tune the rest of the 5ths pure to F and B.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"width: 478.381px\">\n<!--[if lt IE 9]><script>document.createElement('audio');<\/script><![endif]-->\n<audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-1913-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/artscimedia.case.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/135\/2015\/02\/15032958\/vallottiKB.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/artscimedia.case.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/135\/2015\/02\/15032958\/vallottiKB.mp3\">https:\/\/artscimedia.case.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/135\/2015\/02\/15032958\/vallottiKB.mp3<\/a><\/audio>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"width: 478.381px\" bgcolor=\"#b0b0b0\">\n<table border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"2\" cellpadding=\"2\" bgcolor=\"white\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"13\" valign=\"top\"><b>Young<\/b><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"13\"><b>C<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"13\"><b>C#<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"13\"><b>D<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"13\"><b>Eb<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"13\"><b>E<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"13\"><b>F<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"13\"><b>F#<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"13\"><b>G<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"13\"><b>G#<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"13\"><b>A<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"13\"><b>Bb<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"13\"><b>B<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\" height=\"13\"><b>C<\/b><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\">0<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\">90<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\">196<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\">294<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\">392<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\">498<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\">588<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\">698<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\">792<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\">894<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\">996<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\">1090<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"8%\">1200<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"13\" valign=\"top\" height=\"13\">Procedure: Temper C\u2014G\u2014D\u2014A\u2014E\u2014B\u2014F# by 1\/6 of a Pythagorean comma, then tune the rest of the 5ths pure to C and F#.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"width: 478.381px\">\n<audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-1913-2\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/artscimedia.case.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/135\/2015\/02\/15032957\/youngKB.mp3?_=2\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/artscimedia.case.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/135\/2015\/02\/15032957\/youngKB.mp3\">https:\/\/artscimedia.case.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/135\/2015\/02\/15032957\/youngKB.mp3<\/a><\/audio>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Cents charts are especially useful for comparison with ET. ET semitones are found by definition at the even 100s all the way up the scale, so numbers slightly below the 100s represent lower pitches and numbers above, higher pitches. As mentioned above, the two temperaments are similarly constructed but, as can be seen, they are not identical. This is my first problem\u2013granted, a minor one\u2013with the citing of Vallotti\/Young as a temperament in use today. The two temperaments are not the same. The &#8220;naturals&#8221; of the keyboard are all the same except for the F, but the &#8220;accidentals&#8221; are different. In my experience, many people are not aware of the differences between these temperaments and often use the term &#8220;Vallotti\/Young&#8221; even when they are actually tuning Vallotti. This is semantic distinction but, still, there\u2019s no reason not to get it right. Furthermore, &#8220;Vallotti\u2013Young,&#8221; as it appears in some places to refer to Young as a transposition of Vallotti, seems an unnecessary obfuscation.<\/p>\n<p>So why are these systems so popular anyway? There are three main reasons:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Ease of setting. Any system that includes <a href=\"#fnw2\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff\">pure fifths<\/span><\/a> is easier to tune than a system with only tempered fifths.<\/li>\n<li>Circulation. The amount of tempering is satisfying but there is enough flexibility that they qualify as circulating temperaments. Thus, modern musicians can program whatever pieces they want in whatever order and, using Vallotti or Young, can be confident that each piece will sound acceptable.<\/li>\n<li>Key differentiation. This was more important to Baroque musicians than modern ones. Besides the horrid thirds and the difficulty of setting it, the other reason Baroque musicians avoided ET was because it didn\u2019t differentiate among the keys. With Vallotti and Young, every key has a different amount of tempering and thus a slightly different &#8220;flavor.&#8221; The concept of key characteristics, which arose during the Baroque era, originated because the keys really are different under irregular systems like these, a feature that was valued by musicians of the time.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<div class=\"row column-group-1\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"col-xs-12 col-sm-12 col-md-6 col-lg-6\"><p>\n Valotti<br \/>\n <a href=\"https:\/\/artscimedia.case.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/135\/2015\/02\/15014615\/Vallotti5th.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\" size-thumbnail wp-image-1507 alignnone\" src=\"https:\/\/artscimedia.case.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/135\/2015\/02\/15014615\/Vallotti5th-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"Vallotti5th\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"col-xs-12 col-sm-12 col-md-6 col-lg-6\"><\/p>\n<p>Young<br \/>\n <a href=\"https:\/\/artscimedia.case.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/135\/2015\/02\/15014615\/Young5th.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\" size-thumbnail wp-image-1508 alignnone\" src=\"https:\/\/artscimedia.case.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/135\/2015\/02\/15014615\/Young5th-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"Young5th\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>\n<\/div>\n<p><\/div>\n<p>(Click image for enlarged view)<\/p>\n<p>These are all valid and valuable attributes. These temperaments really are useful and can contribute to good\u2013sounding performances. So why would I say\u2013perhaps in an attention\u2013grabbing overstatement\u2013that I hate Vallotti? What\u2019s not to like?<\/p>\n<div align=\"right\"><a href=\"http:\/\/casfaculty.case.edu\/ross-duffin\/why-i-hate-vallotti-or-is-it-young-3-1\/\">Next &gt;<\/a><\/div>\n<div align=\"right\"><i>go to<\/i> <b><a href=\"http:\/\/casfaculty.case.edu\/ross-duffin\/why-i-hate-vallotti-or-is-it-young-1-1\/\">1<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/casfaculty.case.edu\/ross-duffin\/why-i-hate-vallo\u2026-is-it-young-2-1\/\">2<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/casfaculty.case.edu\/ross-duffin\/why-i-hate-vallotti-or-is-it-young-3-1\/\">3<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/casfaculty.case.edu\/ross-duffin\/why-i-hate-vallotti-or-is-it-young-4-1\/\">4<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/casfaculty.case.edu\/ross-duffin\/why-i-hate-vallotti-or-is-it-young-5-1\/\">5 &gt;<\/a><\/b><\/div>\n<div align=\"right\">\u00a0<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: left\" align=\"right\">\n<p><a name=\"fnw2\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Footnotes<br \/>\n (<a href=\"#topw2\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff\">Back to top of page<\/span><\/a>)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>1.\u00a0<strong>Meantone Temperament &#8211;\u00a0<\/strong>One based on narrowing the 5ths by some fraction of the syntonic comma (resulting in a whole tone exactly half\u2014the mean\u2014of the M3rd)<br \/>\n 2.\u00a0<strong>Regular Temperament &#8211;\u00a0<\/strong>One in which all 5ths are tempered by the same amount (with the exception of the wolf, if any)<br \/>\n 3.\u00a0<strong>Wolf &#8211;\u00a0<\/strong>the one dissonant &#8220;5th&#8221; in a regular meantone system where it is wide, or in a Pythagorean system where it is narrow<\/p>\n<p>4.\u00a0<strong>Irregular Temperament &#8211;\u00a0<\/strong>One in which the 5ths are of different sizes (e.g. some tempered, some pure)<br \/>\n 5.\u00a0<strong>Well Temperament &#8211;\u00a0<\/strong>One that is serviceable in a variety of keys. Sometimes called a &#8220;circulating&#8221; temperament<br \/>\n 6.\u00a0<strong>Circulating Temperament &#8211;\u00a0<\/strong>One that can be used without adjustment in the complete circle of keys. Sometimes called a &#8220;well&#8221; temperament<br \/>\n 7. <strong>Cent &#8211;\u00a0<\/strong>logarithmic unit for expressing relative pitch, regardless of frequency: 1\/100 of an ET semitone or 1\/1200 of an 8ve.\u00a0<br \/>\n 8.\u00a0<strong>Pure 5th &#8211;\u00a0<\/strong>interval with the harmonic ratio 3:2, or 701.95 cents, often rounded to 702c.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><a name=\"topw2\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p><b>Why I hate Vallotti &#8211; cont.<\/b><\/p>\n<p>Some continued to use quarter comma <a href=\"#fnw2\">meantone<\/a> in spite of its limitations: it\u2019s arguably still the best choice for much music of the early\u2013 to mid\u201317th century and it continued to be used for organs long after that. Others chose to compromise the purity of the thirds slightly, tempering all the fifths equally but not as much as in quarter comma meantone. These\u00a0<a href=\"#fnw2\">regular meantone<\/a> systems\u20131\/5, 1\/6 comma, etc.\u2013feature good chords in the same places, but although the thirds are not as good as in quarter comma,<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/casfaculty.case.edu\/ross-duffin\/why-i-hate-vallotti-or-is-it-young-2-1\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading&#8230; <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Why I hate Vallotti (or is it Young?)  2.1<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":223,"featured_media":0,"parent":0,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"spay_email":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/casfaculty.case.edu\/ross-duffin\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/1913"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/casfaculty.case.edu\/ross-duffin\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/casfaculty.case.edu\/ross-duffin\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/casfaculty.case.edu\/ross-duffin\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/223"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/casfaculty.case.edu\/ross-duffin\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1913"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"https:\/\/casfaculty.case.edu\/ross-duffin\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/1913\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2781,"href":"https:\/\/casfaculty.case.edu\/ross-duffin\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/1913\/revisions\/2781"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/casfaculty.case.edu\/ross-duffin\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1913"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}